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	<title>Comments on: Super Cub Aileron Upgrade (part 1)</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paul Endersby</title>
		<link>http://thesmithfam.org/blog/2007/03/01/super-cub-aileron-upgrade-part-1/#comment-58479</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Endersby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm am contemplating doing this to my Supercub as it's either mod or but a different 4 channel plane.

Question is, how did you make your cuts so neat? Did you just use a very sharp craft knife ot did you use something like a dremmel cutting disc? Also how did you dig out the recess for the servos to get the bottom surface flat?

Excellent instructions btw!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m am contemplating doing this to my Supercub as it&#8217;s either mod or but a different 4 channel plane.</p>
<p>Question is, how did you make your cuts so neat? Did you just use a very sharp craft knife ot did you use something like a dremmel cutting disc? Also how did you dig out the recess for the servos to get the bottom surface flat?</p>
<p>Excellent instructions btw!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Young</title>
		<link>http://thesmithfam.org/blog/2007/03/01/super-cub-aileron-upgrade-part-1/#comment-56774</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I know, I sell helicopters!!
But I do like flying my HobbyZone Super Cub as well. Which brings me to my point in time, I will be modifying my cub very shortly, with a BL-480 Brushless motor, 4 x Hitec HS-55 servos, and doing the aileron modification you just completed (quite well I might add):) Via a DX7 2.4Ghz Spectrum transmitter/receiver system, and 3 cell LiPoly battery source.
I will be using your photo instructional document in order to complete my task for the aileron modification (you did a marvellous job).

When completed, I will be happy for any interested parties to view my flying exploits on YouTube.
Thank you for the opportunity to add to your blog.
Cheers: Gary:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I know, I sell helicopters!!<br />
But I do like flying my HobbyZone Super Cub as well. Which brings me to my point in time, I will be modifying my cub very shortly, with a BL-480 Brushless motor, 4 x Hitec HS-55 servos, and doing the aileron modification you just completed (quite well I might add):) Via a DX7 2.4Ghz Spectrum transmitter/receiver system, and 3 cell LiPoly battery source.<br />
I will be using your photo instructional document in order to complete my task for the aileron modification (you did a marvellous job).</p>
<p>When completed, I will be happy for any interested parties to view my flying exploits on YouTube.<br />
Thank you for the opportunity to add to your blog.<br />
Cheers: Gary:)</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
		<link>http://thesmithfam.org/blog/2007/03/01/super-cub-aileron-upgrade-part-1/#comment-7764</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 16:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it was using only rudder before, you're in for a treat. I know all about the aerodynamics involved, and not only is using rudder only a sloppy way to turn, it is a fairly unstable way. Hope your new mods work out!

See http://av8n.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it was using only rudder before, you&#8217;re in for a treat. I know all about the aerodynamics involved, and not only is using rudder only a sloppy way to turn, it is a fairly unstable way. Hope your new mods work out!</p>
<p>See <a href="http://av8n.com/" rel="nofollow">http://av8n.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://thesmithfam.org/blog/2007/03/01/super-cub-aileron-upgrade-part-1/#comment-7671</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, what you don't realize is that I did the same thing later, to the same wingtip. It's been double-epoxied back together. Soon my whole wing is just going to be one flying mass of hardened epoxy.

I'm heading over to Some Dude's today to pick up push rods, EZ connectors and servo extension wire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, what you don&#8217;t realize is that I did the same thing later, to the same wingtip. It&#8217;s been double-epoxied back together. Soon my whole wing is just going to be one flying mass of hardened epoxy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m heading over to Some Dude&#8217;s today to pick up push rods, EZ connectors and servo extension wire.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://thesmithfam.org/blog/2007/03/01/super-cub-aileron-upgrade-part-1/#comment-7670</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, that looks really nice! My favorite picture is number 7, a close up of the wing tip I tore off in that spectacular cartwheel landing. Gymnasts practice for years to get that kind of form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, that looks really nice! My favorite picture is number 7, a close up of the wing tip I tore off in that spectacular cartwheel landing. Gymnasts practice for years to get that kind of form.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://thesmithfam.org/blog/2007/03/01/super-cub-aileron-upgrade-part-1/#comment-7662</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once I get proficient with the ailerons, I want to program my radio to mix the aileron channel into the rudder channel to automagically apply some rudder into my turn. Eventually, I'd like to be able to turn on the dual rates, and mix the rudder and elevator with aileron to perform precise snap rolls. We'll see about that. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once I get proficient with the ailerons, I want to program my radio to mix the aileron channel into the rudder channel to automagically apply some rudder into my turn. Eventually, I&#8217;d like to be able to turn on the dual rates, and mix the rudder and elevator with aileron to perform precise snap rolls. We&#8217;ll see about that. <img src='http://thesmithfam.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Torrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Torrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations!  This will definitely advance your flying skills.  

As for how a plane turns on rudder only, well, it all depends on the dihedral of the wing.    The more dihedral, the better a plane can turn with a rudder, as more dihedral increases the coupling between yaw and roll (one induces the other).  The straighter the wing (and the cub's wing is pretty straight), the less effective the rudder actually us because the coupling is less.  The problem is that all the rudder does is push the tail around.  Ideally, there should be no coupling between the three axis, and under such conditions the plane will still continue to travel in the same direction with rudder applied, just sideways; it doesn't naturally want to actually turn.  

If you hold the rudder long enough, as the plane yaws, eventually the plane will kind of bank as the wing tip picks up speed.  With ailerons, you can bank immediately, then pull up on the elevator and turn very precisely.  All that a rudder does during a turn is to coordinate the yaw with your bank.  The reason this is desirable is that it keeps people on the plane from getting sick.  The rudder is not used much at all at altitude and speed, as turns at 300FL and 480 knots are wide, gentle turns.

In RC, rudder doesn't matter that much, so most people rarely use the rudder with ailerons at first.  There are many maneuvers that require the rudder, such as a knife-edge, and rudder is also used to help counter coupling between the axes during maneuvers like slow barrel rolls.   I have to confess, though, that while I'm not very good at using a rudder, coordinating the turns is very beautiful.  My current planes are too fast for me to think about what to do with the rudder!  But I'm trying to learn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations!  This will definitely advance your flying skills.  </p>
<p>As for how a plane turns on rudder only, well, it all depends on the dihedral of the wing.    The more dihedral, the better a plane can turn with a rudder, as more dihedral increases the coupling between yaw and roll (one induces the other).  The straighter the wing (and the cub&#8217;s wing is pretty straight), the less effective the rudder actually us because the coupling is less.  The problem is that all the rudder does is push the tail around.  Ideally, there should be no coupling between the three axis, and under such conditions the plane will still continue to travel in the same direction with rudder applied, just sideways; it doesn&#8217;t naturally want to actually turn.  </p>
<p>If you hold the rudder long enough, as the plane yaws, eventually the plane will kind of bank as the wing tip picks up speed.  With ailerons, you can bank immediately, then pull up on the elevator and turn very precisely.  All that a rudder does during a turn is to coordinate the yaw with your bank.  The reason this is desirable is that it keeps people on the plane from getting sick.  The rudder is not used much at all at altitude and speed, as turns at 300FL and 480 knots are wide, gentle turns.</p>
<p>In RC, rudder doesn&#8217;t matter that much, so most people rarely use the rudder with ailerons at first.  There are many maneuvers that require the rudder, such as a knife-edge, and rudder is also used to help counter coupling between the axes during maneuvers like slow barrel rolls.   I have to confess, though, that while I&#8217;m not very good at using a rudder, coordinating the turns is very beautiful.  My current planes are too fast for me to think about what to do with the rudder!  But I&#8217;m trying to learn!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hans,

The HobbyZone Super Cub turns with the rudder only. Since the wings have pretty big dihedral, and rounded wing tips, it would bank on rudder input. The reason is that the rudder would swing one wing out in front of the other, giving it more air flow, and causing it to gain more lift than the other wing, resulting in a bank. The problem is that every turn shaves off some of the plane's air speed, since it has to yaw to one side. With ailerons, it'll be much smoother, since there will be almost no yaw (assuming it even flies after all my foam hackery).

--Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hans,</p>
<p>The HobbyZone Super Cub turns with the rudder only. Since the wings have pretty big dihedral, and rounded wing tips, it would bank on rudder input. The reason is that the rudder would swing one wing out in front of the other, giving it more air flow, and causing it to gain more lift than the other wing, resulting in a bank. The problem is that every turn shaves off some of the plane&#8217;s air speed, since it has to yaw to one side. With ailerons, it&#8217;ll be much smoother, since there will be almost no yaw (assuming it even flies after all my foam hackery).</p>
<p>&#8211;Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, the technical term for putting your ailerons in flap mode is "flaperons." You need a programmable radio to do it (like the Spektrum DX6) and one extra control channel so each aileron/flap has its own servo.

--Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the technical term for putting your ailerons in flap mode is &#8220;flaperons.&#8221; You need a programmable radio to do it (like the Spektrum DX6) and one extra control channel so each aileron/flap has its own servo.</p>
<p>&#8211;Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So pardon my ignorance, but how did it turn before without ailerons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So pardon my ignorance, but how did it turn before without ailerons?</p>
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